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UF's 33 best players ever: #1-11

  • http://florida.247sports.com/Article/Part-II-the-33-best-football-players-in-Florida-Gators-history-78837

    Part III of Gator Bait's three-part series in which we count down the 33 best players in University of Florida football history. Today, #1-11.

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  • just my opinion ok ?
    but Joe should have been in the top 10.
    and I think collinsworth should have been also

    gubberjk

  • Jovan Kearse the original "FREAK" ?

    Gatorpops

  • Gatorpops said...

    Jovan Kearse the original "FREAK" ?

    Nope not good enough but freaking chas henry is on there

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  • Yeah, that's a pretty big omission. #42 was my favorite player growing up.

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  • There were 33 spots available so some exceptional players got left off like Neal Anderson, David Galloway and Kerwin Bell for example.

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  • Franz Beard said...

    There were 33 spots available so some exceptional players got left off like Neal Anderson, David Galloway and Kerwin Bell for example.

    Chas Henry was a better player in your eyes than Jevon Kearse?

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  • For four years, yes. Chas Henry was a weapon for four years. Teams averaged 1.8 yards per punt return against him. During the 2008 national championship season only five punts were returned. Nearly half of his punts were downed inside the 20. He flipped the field and gave Florida a tremendous field position advantage for four years.

    Kearse had one terrific sophomore season in 1997, then essentially spent 1998 trying to avoid getting hurt because he was (a) taking money under the table from Tank Black and (b) he getting ready for the draft.

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  • Franz Beard said...
    Kearse had one terrific sophomore season in 1997, then essentially spent 1998 trying to avoid getting hurt because he was (a) taking money under the table from Tank Black and (b) he getting ready for the draft.

    Um is it well known Kearse was taking money in college?

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  • Yes. The Tank Black scandal implicated Kearse, Mike Peterson and a couple other Gators for taking money.

    This post was edited by Franz Beard on 6/27/2012 at 12:53 PM

    Sports: Kearse, Rutledge testify in Tank Black case

    http://www.sptimes.com/2002/01/16/Sports/Kearse__Rutledge_test.shtml

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  • Ouch Gator Jordan: don't mess with Franz!

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  • A lot of folks who weren't around at that time are unaware of what happened in 1998. The Gators had what could have been a national championship team. They lost to Tennessee in Knoxville, a game they gave away with fumbles. Ed Chester went down with a devastating knee injury that cost him a long, prosperous pro career. Players were taking money from Tank Black and there were some on the team that thought Kearse and others spent the last half of the season trying to avoid an injury like the one Ed Chester suffered than to play their hardest on the field. It was a highly dysfunctional season.

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  • Franz Beard said...

    A lot of folks who weren't around at that time are unaware of what happened in 1998. The Gators had what could have been a national championship team. They lost to Tennessee in Knoxville, a game they gave away with fumbles. Ed Chester went down with a devastating knee injury that cost him a long, prosperous pro career. Players were taking money from Tank Black and there were some on the team that thought Kearse and others spent the last half of the season trying to avoid an injury like the one Ed Chester suffered than to play their hardest on the field. It was a highly dysfunctional season.

    Plus, we lost two games, one to each of the teams that played for the National Championship. And, we should have won them both. We fumbled away the Tennessee game and missed a FG in overtime. We lost the FSU game because a defensive back couldn't hold onto an easy pick 6 and the ball went the other way for an FSU touchdown.

    We've had a little luck along the way to each of our 3 national titles, but we've had some bad luck too.

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  • I would have made room for Huey Richardson. Guy was an All-American, two time All-SEC, made the conference academic honor roll all four years (and yes, I think that stuff should count at least a little) and graduated holding the school record for sacks in a season and 2nd overall in sacks for a career behind Wilbur Marshall.

    I'd also make room for Cris Collinsworth and Kerwin Bell.

    And how about Dale Van Sickel? First ever All-American.

    This post was edited by Gotham Gator on 6/27/2012 at 3:50 PM

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  • I think it is a good list but in the end I think Markese Pouncey will be top ten and his brother top 20. They had as much to do with our success in those years as Tebow/Harvin/Spikes.

    Pierce Kuhn

  • Franz Beard said...

    Kearse had one terrific sophomore season in 1997, then essentially spent 1998 trying to avoid getting hurt because he was (a) taking money under the table from Tank Black and (b) he getting ready for the draft.

    wtf are you talking about? He had MORE sacks in 98 then he did 97.and overall a much better season

    In 97 he lead the team in sacks with 6.5 and had 38 tackles with 2 FF

    In 98 he once again lead the team in sacks this time with 7.5 and raised his tackle total to 54

    In 98 he was AP SEC DPOY, made numerous all american teams, as well as being a finalist for the Lombardi, Butkus, and Bednarik awards.

    If he was playing that year trying to "avoid getting hurt" like you idiotically claim then he did a helluva job running into QB's while trying to avoid being hurt.

    Sometimes I think you "penalize" kids on your lists because you personally had a beef with them. If you don't like Kearse because he took money thats fine...just come out and say it and say thats why you have a beef with him and why you didn't put him on the list. But don't pull some crap out of your ass about his play in 98 and him only having 1 good season at UF when he had 2 very good seasons and his freshman year wasn't too shabby as well when he was named to the freshman all sec team

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    wtf are you talking about? He had MORE sacks in 98 then he did 97.and overall a much better season

    In 97 he lead the team in sacks with 6.5 and had 38 tackles with 2 FF

    In 98 he once again lead the team in sacks this time with 7.5 and raised his tackle total to 54

    In 98 he was AP SEC DPOY, made numerous all american teams, as well as being a finalist for the Lombardi, Butkus, and Bednarik awards.

    If he was playing that year trying to "avoid getting hurt" like you idiotically claim then he did a helluva job running into QB's while trying to avoid being hurt.

    Sometimes I think you "penalize" kids on your lists because you personally had a beef with them. If you don't like Kearse because he took money thats fine...just come out and say it and say thats why you have a beef with him and why you didn't put him on the list. But don't pull some crap out of your ass about his play in 98 and him only having 1 good season at UF when he had 2 very good seasons and his freshman year wasn't too shabby as well when he was named to the freshman all sec team

    Great post. A punter in the top 50 is a joke. I hope we have one of our juniors Playing "clearly to not get hurt" this upcoming season, if it also gets him SEC Defensive player of the year.

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  • jeff2727 said...

    Great post. A punter in the top 50 is a joke. I hope we have one of our juniors Playing "clearly to not get hurt" this upcoming season, if it also gets him SEC Defensive player of the year.

    Hell yeah...I'd take that in a hearbeat out of powell or someone else on this defense

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  • GibbonsGator said...

    wtf are you talking about? He had MORE sacks in 98 then he did 97.and overall a much better season

    In 97 he lead the team in sacks with 6.5 and had 38 tackles with 2 FF

    In 98 he once again lead the team in sacks this time with 7.5 and raised his tackle total to 54

    In 98 he was AP SEC DPOY, made numerous all american teams, as well as being a finalist for the Lombardi, Butkus, and Bednarik awards.

    If he was playing that year trying to "avoid getting hurt" like you idiotically claim then he did a helluva job running into QB's while trying to avoid being hurt.

    Sometimes I think you "penalize" kids on your lists because you personally had a beef with them. If you don't like Kearse because he took money thats fine...just come out and say it and say thats why you have a beef with him and why you didn't put him on the list. But don't pull some crap out of your ass about his play in 98 and him only having 1 good season at UF when he had 2 very good seasons and his freshman year wasn't too shabby as well when he was named to the freshman all sec team

    I don't have a beef with Kearse. I think he should have been forgiven long ago and brought back into the Gator family a lot sooner than he did. Numerous players and others who were around that 1998 team believe that once Ed Chester got hurt, several guys who were taking money under the table from Tank Black slacked off because they were afraid of getting hurt. Kearse didn't have an insurance policy like Ed Chester did, not did Johnny Rutledge, nor did Mike Peterson.

    If you don't want to believe me, then talk to some of the coaches that were around in 1998 and they'll say the same thing. As good as Kearse was, they will tell you that he didn't play as hard as he could in the last half of the season after the Chester injury. The Tank Black scandal hurt the program in a lot of ways and that's just one of them.

    As for putting Chas Henry in the top 33 players, look at what he did for four years and how he changed field position consistently by flipping the field. Charlie Strong told me twice that Henry made his defenses so much better because he constantly altered field position and by pinning teams consistently inside the 20, made them know if they got a three-and-out that the offense would get the ball back somewhere around midfield because Brandon James would be running the punts back. Urban Meyer on more than one occasion called Henry "a weapon" because he hit the ball so high that nobody could get a decent runback.

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  • Franz Beard said...

    I don't have a beef with Kearse. I think he should have been forgiven long ago and brought back into the Gator family a lot sooner than he did. Numerous players and others who were around that 1998 team believe that once Ed Chester got hurt, several guys who were taking money under the table from Tank Black slacked off because they were afraid of getting hurt. Kearse didn't have an insurance policy like Ed Chester did, not did Johnny Rutledge, nor did Mike Peterson.

    If you don't want to believe me, then talk to some of the coaches that were around in 1998 and they'll say the same thing. The Tank Black scandal hurt the program in a lot of ways.

    I'm not disagreeing with you at all, it was dumb....and a definitely a black eye to the program. However Kearse making the dumb decision to take money shouldn't penalize him on this list.

    Look at the stats I provided you, how could you say he had only 1 tremendous year and that it was 97? Kearse was exactly what they call him...a freak

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  • Yes he was a freak. The Auburn game in 1998 was a game that he was nothing short of remarkable.

    But, was he better than Wilber? No. Spikes? No. Alonzo Johnson or Ralph Ortega or David Little? I'd say the answer to that was again no. I saw all of these guys play most of the games they played in their Florida careers. All five of those guys never had an off year and all you have to do is check their productivity -- all of them had more than 300 tackles in their careers.

    And, I'll say this ... Kearse was a far better pro than he ever was a college player.

    This post was edited by Franz Beard on 6/27/2012 at 5:26 PM

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  • Some numbers:

    ALL-TIME UF LEADERS IN TACKLES:

    David Little, 475
    Scot Brantley, 467
    Sammy Green, 457
    Charlie Williams, 409
    Ed Robinson, 363
    Fernando Jackson, 353
    Robin Fisher, 348
    Wilber Marshall, 353
    Alonzo Johnson, 335
    Brandon Spikes, 335

    SEASON TACKLE LEADERS:

    Sammy Green 202
    Scot Brantley 193
    Glenn Cameron 185
    Bam Hardmon 168
    David Little 161
    Charlie Williams 153
    Scot Brantley 145
    Carlton Miles 142

    CAREER SACKS:

    Alex Brown 33
    Jack Youngblood 30
    Alonzo Johnson 27
    Huey Richardson 26.5
    Clifford Charlton 25
    Wilber Marshall 23
    Kevin Carter 21.8
    David Galloway 21
    Robin Fisher 21
    Derrick Harvey 20.5
    Jermaine Cunningham 19.5
    Carlos Dunlap 195

    SEASON SACKS

    Jack Youngblood 14
    Alex Brown 13
    Alonzo Johnson 12
    Kevin Carter 11.8
    Derrick Harvey 11
    Clifford Charlton 11
    Alonzo Johnson 11
    Wilber Marshall 11
    Alex Brown 10.5
    Rhondy Weston 10

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  • Gotham Gator said...

    I would have made room for Huey Richardson. Guy was an All-American, two time All-SEC, made the conference academic honor roll all four years (and yes, I think that stuff should count at least a little) and graduated holding the school record for sacks in a season and 2nd overall in sacks for a career behind Wilbur Marshall.

    I'd also make room for Cris Collinsworth and Kerwin Bell.

    And how about Dale Van Sickel? First ever All-American.

    Dale Van Sickel is one of my relatives ... and no doubt a great player. I never saw him play and only met him a couple of times at family reunions. I'm old ... just not that old.

    It's hard to leave Huey and Collinsworth off ... but look at the guys that are there. Lots of great players and All-Americans. If I had done a top 50 or 66 they would have made the list.

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  • Just wanted to drop in and say 6.5 sacks as a freshman is awesome. Have seen comments indicating that wasn't that great, but what did Clowney do as a freshman? Ronald Powell? Gaines Adams? Etc., etc.

    I say it everytime I see lofty expectations for SEC DL. It's a really hard position to play as a freshman in the SEC.

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