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htowngator said...
Why do people keep saying this is Fishers first go around? He's been with FSU for many years now and has been running that show. Do people honestly think Bowden was calling the shots? Really?
They are using this as a "time to usher in a new era" when they've been presiding over the last few years of futility.
Anyway, good get for FSU no doubt. Wilder bought the RB sale hook, line, and sinker. One year or two years before he's on defense? -
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No. I absolutely don't think Bowden was calling the shots. But I also don't think Bowden was allowing anybody else (particularly Fisher) to call the shots either. In fact I think that was the biggest problem with FSU for the past 5+ years. Nobody was in charge!
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jmiller said...
So I guess those years where Jimbo was the defacto FSU coach don't really count eh? Neither does last year when UF out recruited FSU, and beat them on the field for the 7th year in a row. Somehow, 1 recruit evens the score. Well it's a good thing that FSU fans have set the bar low, because this year will be Ponder's last, and this is about as good as it is going to get for them.
cnorgard said...
As for recruiting which you are counting...Fisher has been the one calling the shots since he took over the "Coach in Waiting" title. If that ain't the case, then I guess he's been stretching the truth a bit far with local recruits.If I was keeping score I'd start with any recruit since that contract was signed, but that's just me because that's when Jimbo thought he became the one calling all the recruiting shots.
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htowngator said...
Why do people keep saying this is Fishers first go around? He's been with FSU for many years now and has been running that show. Do people honestly think Bowden was calling the shots? Really?
They are using this as a "time to usher in a new era" when they've been presiding over the last few years of futility.
Anyway, good get for FSU no doubt. Wilder bought the RB sale hook, line, and sinker. One year or two years before he's on defense?
Defeat doesn't finish a man - quit does. A man is not finished when he's defeated. He's finished when he quits. - Richard Nixon
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Why do people keep saying this is Fishers first go around? He's been with FSU for many years now and has been running that show. Do people honestly think Bowden was calling the shots? Really?
They are using this as a "time to usher in a new era" when they've been presiding over the last few years of futility.
Anyway, good get for FSU no doubt. Wilder bought the RB sale hook, line, and sinker. One year or two years before he's on defense?
Defeat doesn't finish a man - quit does. A man is not finished when he's defeated. He's finished when he quits. - Richard Nixon
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Franz Beard said...
About the only thing this will do is motivate the Meyer recruiting machine to step things up. I have no doubt Florida State will put together a very good recruiting class, but I seriously doubt Jimbo Fisher and FSU are going to outrecruit Urban Meyer. Wilder was a MUST get for FSU but until Jimbo wins more than an occasional battle with Urban, the jury is out and will stay out.
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Franz Beard said...
I would take Florida's staff over the FSU staff any day of the week starting with Addazio over Rick Trickett. The NFL scouts I know tend to agree that this is a seriously good Florida staff, maybe the best that Urban has had.
And ... Florida has definite advantages. The Gators play in the SEC not the ACC. Better TV contract. Better exposure. VASTLY better education. That's not even close. FSU is Romper Room.
Now FSU probably won't go any lower than where it's been the last six years but I have serious doubts that the Seminoles will ever regain the glory days again. Jimbo and this staff might be an improvement, but they aren't going to change who sits at the top of the football world in this state and that's the Gators. As long as Urban Meyer is here, you can take that to the bank.
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Ron Sanders said...
First, let me credit Urban Meyer, He has obviously done a terrific job. He took what Ron Zook left him, didn't screw it up, and built upon it...
All that said, I do think Jimbo Fisher will win at least 50% of the battles with Urban Meyer for several reasons:
1. Urban Meyer is smart, but Jimbo is equally as smart. Edge: PUSH
2. Urban works as hard as anyone, but Jimbo does too. I've gotten calls from Jimbo Fisher at 5:30 am on the way into the office and after midnight on the way home. He keeps Nick Saban hours. Edge: PUSH
3. If you look at the staffs at both Florida and FSU, who has the better COACHING staff and the better RECRUITING staff? I'm not taking about individuals, like Addazzio, etc. I mean, as a whole, who has the better staff? I think it's clearly FSU - on both counts. And that's not just my opinion. I have talked with numerous coaches who agree. I talked to one very famous former Gator last month who is less than impressed with Florida's current staff. EDGE: FSU
Here's where it gets interesting...
4. While Urban Meyer is a great recruiter, Jimbo may be better. Look at the players Fisher has signed over the years who have gone on to play in the NFL. He wins those battles in the same way that Meyer wins them: hard work, organization and process. However, Fisher gets the edge in personality. People like Jimbo Fisher one on one. He's a likable guy. Parents trust him. I've worked with a LOT of great coaches over the years. The best ones, in no particular order, are Ron Zook, Sal Sunseri, Larry Fedora, Joe Wickline, Rick Trickett, Mike Locksley, Jimbo Fisher, Nick Saban, Mike Haywood...
Here's the thing, Fisher may be the best because of personality. People don't like Urban Meyer as a person. They like him as a coach. That's okay - and it's not a knock. It's just the truth. He wins because he's relentless, organized, competitive, etc...
Jimbo is all of those things too, but people actually like him. In the long run, that's why he'll win as many battles has he loses with Florida.
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