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since post of the posts are about football around this time i thought i would start a thread about Patric Young!
does anybody think he will leave this year? i know its early and alot can change but so far he is still very raw and i dont believe he is ready for the NBA.
I know next years draft class is alot better than this years but to me i think he would benefit tremendously by staying another year and working on his rebounding and free throw shooting. both things will hurt him in the NBA as of right now.
Mason Plumlee is averaging almost 12 boards a game and IMO thats where Young needs to be. there is no reason given his amazing strength and size that he cant average 10 or so a game. plus next year he will be surrounded by other bigs and it could help out his draft stock.
At the end of the day i think he leaves because its his best chance to go high in the draft but it would be awesome to see him stay 4 years and make next years team a top 5 team.
His offensive game needs a lot of work. He's not projected to be in the 1st round. He really should come back.
I hope he stays...he is in no way ready for the NBA yet
Pat is already better than Reggie Evans
If he don't go this year, he will get drafted a lot higher (worse) next year. This years draft is weak... Next years will be LOADED!!!
I don't think Pat is as good as we build him up to be... Don't know if it's in his head or what the problem is, of course that's just my opinion. And the NBA drafts on potential and maybe he has it but I don't see it. With his body and frame he should average at least 15 pts and 12 boards a night in college. I know the offense doesn't go thru him, and there is a reason for that. He is not good enough. I know Billy D. is a live by the 3 die by the 3 type of coach but if big Pat was good enough he would get the ball. And before I get blasted for this, it is purely my opinion. Not trying to cause a argument. Just sayin what I think... Y'all have a happy new year and go gators!
^ The lack of basic interior passing on the team plays a role in him not getting the ball more. Pat's hook shots go in the basket at a decent rate.
I agree with his shot and his percentages. I think he does good shooting the left and right hook. To me, something isn't there for him. Of course there is the games he shines, not a lot of them but a few. I just think with his body... In college he should/could have the Shaq effect. How many guys do you see in college playing the 5 with his build?
He will leave after this year bc he will project well in the draft based on physical ability alone. Your absolutely right though about there is a reason why the offense doesn't go thru him. 1) BD doesn't emphasize the inside game or inside passing game. 2) PY can make the lil baby hooks fairly well but he is clumsy with the ball and not fluid at all away from the basket. 3) whether its mental or physical idk but he should be a double figure rebounder every night; no excuse for that.
1. I certainly think Young may go, but maybe it is not a done deal. I support him doing whatever he see as in his best interest after this season.
2. All this he is really raw talk is now just bs and repeating what people said in the past. He was raw as a Frosh. He was much more polished offensively last year with his little hook shot and had improved his defense without fouling. This year he has the hook shots, a very nice drop step move and he has made a couple of face up shots. He is also blocking more shots. He is a good offensive player now.
3. He could rebound better, but he is one of these guys who plays better against better competition. He played Davis well last year. He generally has his better rebounding games against UF's tougher opponents.
4. Related to point 3, I think like Chandler Parsons Young has a body and game better suited for the NBA than college basketball. So like Parsons he may play better sooner in the NBA.
5. I read he has fallen in the draft projections for this year, but I find that mind boggling. He is playing better than last year. He is also more consistent. Still even sites that I respect have dropped him in the draft. I think they will be wrong about him falling out of the first round. I guess if he goes this year, we will see.
Very valid observations; your thoughts on these:
- I don't think he's "raw"; I see someone who's not comfortable with the ball in his hands away from the basket. That doesn't bode well at the next level or in college.
- I may have missed them but I hvnt seen him face up to the basket and make a move on a defender and score with regularity.
- I get annoyed when people say someone plays up to the competition...that just means they are lazy and not engaged; a player with the desire and competitive burn will play well against the best an dominate the lesser. PY doesn't do that.
- I agree that he will be a better NBA player than college.
...just my observations on him but he has a high ceiling as does this Gator team; very capable of being a final four team.
1. and 2. He seems more comfortable with the ball in his hands this year. There has been some big to big passing and he always has been willing to kick the ball back out to an open shooter. He is certainly more of a back to the basket scorer.
3. I recognize that saying Young plays his best against top competition can be viewed as a negative. I just think that it is undeniably true if you look at his stats at UF.
my thoughts....him and his family will have a tough tough decision after season - he appears to be a fringe 1st rd kid at best this yr or even next if any year IMO given:
1. PY has a weak 5s game (limited offense - no face up offense/okay hands + okay defense - not a great rebounder/instincts) but is in a 4s body (undersized for NBA 5) IMO
2. guy is 6 9-10" range vs Dwight Howard 5 etc....that is a legit 6 11" + with 20-30lbs more muscle and longer wingspan - typical NBA center is closer to 7" w/ a 7 4"+ wingspan
3. Festus Ezeli / Vernon Macklin recent comps -- went 2nd Rd...guys that were much more productive IMO in college
4. PY does not rebound well - guy avg 4-5 reb vs inferior competition most nights, its baffling - guy is built like a tank and has a monster vertical -- dont get how he got 4 reb in 30 min vs Air Force that runs a frontline in the 6 7" 210 range
5. His stock was highest coming out of HS when he was all potential, every passing yr, potential becomes fool's gold IMO in the eyes of NBA scouts...think Kwame Brown etc risk in terms of translating raw skills into actual production
6. Do think he can be an NBA role player / guy off bench....just dont see him as an NBA starter given limited offensive game - he isnt going to hit open 12 ft jumpers regularly and/or have a Dennis Rodman impact on the glass/defense to compensate for lack of offensive game based on what has shown in college....that said - do think as a complementary role guy in NBA he can be successful vs expectations in college of being "the man" and carrying a team with 15pts and 12 rebs a night
7. Hype was higher for him prior to this yr since everyone was expecting a Thomas Robinson type break out yr....clearly its not happening...guy isnt built that way for some reason, no way no how a guy with his physical build shouldnt be crushing guys out there and playing like an animal every night vs having to get benched for lack of effort in practice in his "money year" as far as draft/scouts go
No matter how it shakes out, kid is a Gator Great, great student/athlete by all accounts and representative of Gator Nation....pulling for him to elevate his game and have a long successful pro career
I agree that he has improved each year he has been here... But he isn't the player we all expected coming out of high school, or each off season when we all expect this top 10 NBA draft pick type player. I'm with Quatch in that I don't see a offensive game past a baby hook. I also agree that he will be better in the league... Kinda Maurice Speights type player. Kinda dissapears for a couple years then all of a sudden he gradually starts to "get it".
Btw... I am in no way tryin to bash Pat. Probably my fav Gator this year. I just keep expecting this dominant player comin back from off season every year. My expectations as a fan haven't been met. And that sounds selfish of me but I believe quiet a few of us keep waiting on this 5 star center to bring it more than 4-5 games out of roughly 35 a year. Like Chomp said, 4 boards in 30 min. against a small Air Force team just looks bad to me, and he seems to have more of these type games than he does a decent 10 pt 7 reb type game.
This is one of the worst, most ill-informed threads I have ever read.
No Cain, no gain.
The comment that "BD doesn't emphasize the inside game" is beyond ludicrous. I guess that's why Noah, Horford, Lee, Speights and Haslem are in the league and not a single guard BD has coached is in the league.
My two quick thoughts on Young:
1) He's not a very lengthy player. I'd love to see his measurements, but I bet when the draft rolls around his wingspan won't stack up well to other players of similar size. That makes a difference.
2) He doesn't have great rebounding instincts. Some players just have a natural feel for where the ball's going. Don't see that with Young. If I'm right on No. 1, coupling it with No. 2 is a pretty simple explanation for why he's not more productive despite having a "great frame."
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Ludacrious? So your saying he does emphasize the low post game and designs his offense around it?
Why is that?
It is a huge part of the offense and always has been.
I am with Quatch on this? Various people on it have offered different opinions about Young. So are we all misinformed and some other view is correct about Young? Do you think Young is a figment of our collective imaginations and discussing him is an example of mass psychosis? Are there other possibilities that I am missing?
Ok I'll give you that fla has post players in the league; doesnt mean it was the style of offense that put them there. Donovan's offense begins and is structured around 3's and guard play. To say that's "beyond ludicrous" is well....beyond ludicrous.
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Well if one wants to know such a thing, the place to go is the Draftexpress.com measurement data base:
I found Patric Young in it and he measure 6'9" tall in shoes. Also in this data base Young is reported to have a wingspan of 7'1". I quickly looked at the other players who measured 6'9" with shoes counted those with the same, greater and smaller wing span than Young. The results were:
6'9" players with a greater wingspan than Young: 35
6'9" players with an equal wingspan with Young: 17
6'9" players with a smaller wingspan than Young: 53
I only counted once all of the players who are in the data base twice, but I am not sure if I got them all or not. A few other caveats are these are just players in the data base, ie good enough to get on the NBA radar not necessarily guys who made teams and some of these 6'9" guys are 3s with short wingspans who maybe should be deleted if you wanted a comprehensive study. Also Young did not have data for reach or any other length measure so for now wingspan is all we have for comparison.
Still it appears to me that Young has better than average length for guys his height as measured by wingspan. [One could also look at everyone between say 6'8.5" to 6'9.5" for a more complete study.] BTW, some interesting names in the data base at 6'9" with shoes were:
David Lee, 7'0"
Jamell Stokes, 7'1"
Chris Walker, 7'1.5"
Julius Randle, 6'10"
Even so, so the inside game is still critical.
Can you say why? I don't necessarily disagree. I just know so little of hoops so it'd be nice to read a higher level discussion.
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