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Do you know how long Menelik Watson has been playing football? Do you realize how high he is going to get picked in the NFL Draft? Kid has played barely over a year of football. It makes perfect sense that a kid that projects at OT with those measurables and that much athleticism would get moved up.
Here's a link to his tape on Hudl. MONSTER.
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I agree with him getting moved up but going from unranked to the number 8th player nationally, no.
You have got to be kidding me. Are you just trolling?
You see no issue that a kid who wasn't ranked, moved into the top 10 in the entire country, not from anything he did on the field, but from measurables and seeing him play basketball?
I could see if he moved up, and constantly moved into top 10 at the end, after doing it on the field.
Aren't you the poster who insinuated that the sites evaluaters might be more accurate than the coaches, because the coaches were busy with other things? If I'm confusing you with someone else, I apologize.
And this kid will be a Gator, so that's great sites are showing him love, but if this doesn't prove our point from the other day, I will agree to disagree with you.
You're missing the point. They haven't had a chance to really look at his athleticism since his last ranking. They went and looked at the kid, but he hasn't done any camps that I know of.
scrape the sides up...
Watch his tape, the athleticism immediately pops out. Watch how fast he moves into the second level and locks up his blocks, then watch KC's highlights and watch how blockers are getting off him in the second level and making tackles. Maybe he shouldn't have gone top ten immediately, but he probably would have moved there eventually. 247 has very fluid rankings and has never really shied from moving kids up a lot and down a lot. If they see him again and they realize it was a mistake, he'll get knocked down. In the end it's not really that big of a deal.
What's our staff's opinion of this kid?
Didn't they just pop in the four star ranking after Gerry went to his school? Is it possible they hadn't watched his tape before then?
I guess we just believe in different things. I care what a kid can do on the playing field (football, not basketball). I understand the 40 is important. I understand a OL moving well on the court with great feet is a huge plus. But again, I'm my opinion, these "evaluators" put more stock into that then their film.
You were the one who said these sites had more time to evaluate because the coaches are busy with other things, so why did these coaches get it right and offer early, while, in your words "he was underrated" by the sites? He played his junior year, was watched multiple times by many coaches, did Gerry Harris watch him?
As for the coaches opinion.... I really have no idea. I hadn't heard of the kid until this week. Obviously they must like him to offer and be ready to accept his commitment when he is ready.
It's very possible, but doesn't make your argument from the other day hold much weight about analysts having more time to scout these kids than our coaches.
Coaches have been on him for a LONG time.
So who do we get Sharpe,Gaillard,tabor?
I suppose so. There's a fair balance between the two, and exceptions in both cases, but the most objective way to compare prospects is on their athleticism. There's so much variance between competition. I'm a huge believe in statistics, so I'm biased towards the combine type stuff. Hasn't our staff said they have a sheet with a set of measurables that are supposed to be met for each position when they recruit a prospect? They obviously believe it plays a strong role.
I'll eat some crow on the analysts spending more time evaluating than our staff. Dumb statement, and like I said the next morning, I was a bit drunk and looking to play devil's advocate.
I don't think it holds much weight. Arguing to argue, sorry.
We'll see where this kid ends up. But I'd wager his composite ranking ends up pretty close to top 15. Rivals may bring it down a bit, because we all know how stubborn they are about moving kids up when they pooched the initial evaluation (or didn't evaluate at all).
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Dixon was over rated at 226 now he is just crazy high. A guy who is a 5'10" WR that can only run go routes, with questionable hands usually disappear in college.
In Dwyer's 2 regular season losses to Atlantic and American Heritage he had a grand total of one catch. He killed the Spanish Rivers and Santaluces though. Sometimes you have to watch the guys play the game as opposed to running against air.
I think size/athleticism is the most important thing that goes into evaluating.
Ramsey wasn't a good football player. Walker wasn't a good player. But, the coaches wanted both of them badly because of their rare athletic gifts. Right or wrong, coaches think they'll be able to teach a kid football. And most of the time, they do. Can't really teach a kid athleticism (although you can do things to improve it to a degree).
Sharpe has a short film, and honestly, he's not knocking heads. The things that are apparent though is how he bends and how he moves. People can see that once he gets stronger and actually learns the position, there's first round potential. What's that based on? The fact he's 6'6 and moves like some linebackers. I'm not calling DE Michael Smith a potential first rounder because he threw up 18 sacks last year.
I definitely understand how it sounds absurd to bump the kid so much based on how he looks and how cool his dunks were, but it's not that black and white.
Based on Dixons performance at recent camps, you couldn't be more wrong.
Downvote? Badge of honor.
Must be getting ready to commit to Bama.
Size/athleticism is important, as I said, but to a point. When you don't do anything in pads, then you're just a workout warrior.
Watch his film...where's the separation a guy with top-notch speed should get? How many times is he actually catching the ball away from his frame rather than basket catching.
I'll say this over and over - and I know the Gators look good here - I'm not a fan. Just too many people around that program, that see him way more than us, say he's not even the best WR on his team.
I guess here's an example of the Gators seeing a well-built kid with elite speed and thinking they can make a WR out of him...
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