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Ineteresting how Utah is 4-5 in the Pac-12. Funny how teams who join a real conference see a difference in their win loss record. No more undefeated seasons for Utah. After several years of crying about being left out.
FSU and Miami during the 80's never played in a conference and were able to run wild. They only had to get up for a few games a year and play against teams that did not see them every year. Even the pathetic ACC causes Miami and FSU to stumble.
Miami was loaded with lots of NFL players but it was a big advantage.
you serious clark?
do you not remember us wrecking the entire acc for the entire 90s?
also we played Notre Dame, Miami, UF, Nebraska, Auburn, Ohio State and a bunch of other good teams out of conference multiple times and miami and UF every single year as well. we had one of the best SOS of the 90s. nice try
This post was edited by phillip740il 17 months ago
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He said 80's, but I know reading isn't a strong suit at FSU.
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ok my point still stands. i know we played nebraska, auburn, miami, UF and notre Dame OOC in the 80s. our SOS was still outstanding then. thats how bowden built his rep. anytime anyplace on the road or home was his rule and we still did pretty darn good. we didnt do weak things like duck miami
No doubt FSU won in the 90's but the ACC was a JOKE and STILL is. They said adding FSU would help raise the level of competiton.
And by the way...the only National title you won was with a balding 42 year old quarterback.
This post was edited by IwearGators 17 months ago
hey..........bald is beautiful
and im assuming only MNC we won in coference? because we kinda won one in 1993 with Charlie Ward
Why don't you list all the cream puffs you played too. FSU got up for 2 or 3 games ALL year.
Notre Dame beat you head to head that year. They gifted FSU because the media felt bad for BOBBY not getting a National title. Besides if Nebraska has a half way decent kicker they WIN that game.
shoulda woulda coulda for ND though
the trick is to not lose the last game of the year against a horrible BC team(hope it happens tonight). we beat you guys while they lost to inferior competition. if it happened nowawadays the result would be the same.
dont even bring up kicing to an FSU fan. if wed had better kicking miami wouldnt have 5 MNCs and we probably would. let that marinate. the team who would have played us or miami in those games had no chance against either of our teams, we were 1a and 1b.
lets not mention the fact that you guys should NEVER have gone to the 1996 MNC game against us. that was worse than the bama LSU rematch last year. props to you guys for winning but rematches shouldnt happen like that ever
I LOVED the Notre Dame game. FSU ran its mouth all week and for 3 quarters Notre Dame kicked the sh@t out of FSU. Ran it right down their THROATS.
FSU didn't play in a conference in the 80's their great records were due to WEAK scheduling.
And the fact your on a Gator message board proves the FSU inferiority complex.
Didn't Utah beat Alabama in a bowl game? Maybe it has to do more with the fact that they don't have a good team right know?
not really. i enjoy having a conversation with people who have a different point of view than myself. it gets old chatting with people from your own fanbase and everyone agrees. im enjoying this discussion right now. we dont agree but its still civil
Wrecking the ACC in the 90's is like saying a grown man walks into a day care center and kicks over a kids lincoln logs. You shouldn't brag about it. FSU pussed out and went to a very weak conference so they could just yawn their way through the regular season. And just because you added Nebraska, Auburn, etc doesn't mean jack Way to have 2 game seasons instead of 1 game seasons. What a toughy that must be.
But you ducked the SEC. That's not weak?
yeah that was weak and shortsighted. money in the ACC was better shockingly. if i had my way back then id have gone to the SEC. unfortunately i was 9 and nobody asked my opinion
You do know when FSU and Miami were independents we played anyone who wanted to play us. We had to also travel to those teams homes the majority of the times, and we would beat them putting our teams on the map nationally.
The ACC was actually better in the 90s than it is now considering that there were a couple top 15 teams other than FSU in the conference, and they had some of the best players to go to the NFL like the Barber brothers from Virginia and other great players in the conference.
You do know that this was already posted two hours ago, right?
I posted that before I read the thread
I think the premise is right, however the use of Miami and FSU as examples were a little off base...
Beatings will continue until morale improves
Why? The 80's pretty much put both teams on the map, because we traveled to other states a lot and were in the picture pretty much every year for the title.
Age discrimination at it's finest
Because joining a conference didn't end your ability to compete. There are alot of reason that can be put forward for FSU's fall from the national elite but I don't think any of them have to do with joining a conference unless you put forward the fact that joining a weak conference eventually equaled FSU playing down to its competition which is completely adverse to the OP's assertion.
We can say that FSU downfall came from;
1. Bobby holding on too long.
2. Florida State getting too national with recruiting (OOS guys don't buy in as much)
3. Misses on the trail (chasing stars rather than needs)
4. Playing down to the ACC (not being tested, as well as losing to teams they shoudn't regularly)
5. The rise of Florida under Meyer
6. Lack of discipline under the late Bobby, as well as a divided leadership once Jimbo got there
There are others reason people could put forth with a well though out argument but I don't see joining the ACC because playing for a conference title against better competition as one of them.
This post was edited by USMC_Gator 17 months ago
Okay I agree that we started to play down to our conference once everyone caught up. Hopefully Jimbo has finally broke that other than the one Nc State hiccup this year.
hit the nail on the head. add in terrible coaching and apathy by the staff and you have FSU from 2002-2009 in a nutshell
Like I said I think the OP's assertion that teams making a move up into conferences has shown that its difficulty to put it togerther week in and week out... Just don't think UM and FSU have any place in this discussion....
THat said I hate you guys... i really really hate you guys....
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