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17th, 16th, 15th, and 23rd,
I will take Booms class all day long
And that's a first down!
I love Steve to death but the reality is that to consistently play for and win SEC and national titles, there has to be some elite talent on the field. Jadaveon Clowney, Marcus Lattimore and Alshon Jeffrey did wonders at South Carolina. It doesn't hurt Saban to have the elite talent and definitely wont hurt Coach Boom.
I really expect Florida to be in SEC, BCS, Playoff games year in and year out. I am ready to book my ticket and hotel to Dallas in 2014 and if all breaks right, why not Pasadena next year.
He has never recruited that well.
"Who was your source? Church mice in here....." - Coach Muschamp
Wonder why? I know he doesn't enjoy it, but he has to know how important it is to bring in talent.
Probably because he thinks his superior coaching and schemes are good enough.
1. knows more about which recruits were good than you or the recruiting gurus ever had or could buy a clue about.
2. knows how to coach up the players he recruits better than most coaches.
The really irony is that Spurrier was the best recruiter UF ever had because he was able to do more than take the evaluation of guys who run websites and recruit those guys.
I vehemently disagree. Look not only at his highly rated recruiting classes at UF, but also look at the great number of Gators who went on to the NFL. Also......look at how many of our players were early round draft picks. All of THAT is what really tells the tale, and after looking at that, how could anybody say he was not an excellent recruiter?
I know that some point out how adept his assistants were at recruiting, and try to use that to cast doubt on Spurrier's recruiting ability. But how do you define being a "good recruiter"? To me, being a good recruiter consists of several elements: 1. Attracting assistants who are good recruiters, 2. Getting good results on the playing field, thereby adding to the attractiveness of the program (for instance, the great coaching job he did during his first couple of years at UF caused the program to be viewed as one of the top "glamour" programs in the country, and that helped tremendously in our efforts to attract other great/good players), 3. The personal draw of the head coach, for instance, Spurrier's record resulted in his being viewed within the college football world as a coach with great gravitas, which helped attract players (i.e., starry eyed high school kids being blown away with having this larger than life figure spend time with them in their homes), and 4. The school at which the head coach is employed..........plus other factors.
Look.....take Ron Zook before he went to Illinois, place him at Eastern Michigan instead, and while he might draw better than most other Eastern Michigan coaches, his classes would almost certainly be viewed as mediocre. Look at his recruiting the last couple of years at Illinois. Those classes were mediocre by UF standards, and were even mediocre compared to his earlier classes at Illinois. Yes, he was a very fine recruiter, but surrounding influences were also important factors.
Spurrier was even in absentia a great recruiter for Ron Zook and Urban Meyer. How could that be? Well, Zook and Meyer walked into one of the iconic programs of college football, a situation that was mostly the result of Spurrier's record. That was a huge part of Zook and Meyer having been seen as great recruiters. Take UF's record and situation during the 80's, but instead of the 80's, have those circumstances occur say during the ten years prior to Zook and/or Meyer being hired at UF, thereby leaving Spurrier out of the equation. Then make Zook or Meyer our head coach. I guarantee you that their recruiting classes would have been rated much lower than they were, and we right now would not be saying that Zook and Meyer were the great recruiters we now think they are.
If you think the totality of hours working at recruiting, plus the presence or absence of a charismatic personality, constitute the totality of what makes a good recruiter, you in my opinion are being short sighted. Spurrier should be viewed as a great recruiter by virtue of his having recruited a heck of a lot of great players. How else can you judge this aspect of his career at UF?
Thats not really Spurrier, that is USC. They are what they are.
Spurrier is a great game coach and can get alot of his players that other coaches can't, but let's not give him the rosy treatment because he's the greatest Gator of all time. He has been at SC for 8 seasons and has 1 SEC East title and no SEC titles. We can say that it's South Carolina and it's a miracle what he's done there, and there is some truth to that.
But his work ethic is holding SC back from taking that next step. He has admitted to loving days off and golfing and being on the beach. I would estimate that every other SEC head coach is putting in around 15-20 more hours a week than Spurrier. That's only an extra 3 hours a day but when you add it up it makes a huge difference. With his coaching mind and magnetism his recruiting would take an uptick, he wouldn't have to start a Stephen Garcia type at QB for so long, and SC wouldn't have a big goose egg under the SEC Titles column. Love him, he's still a living legend, still gives the best interviews, but if losing really bothered him as much as it did other coaches, then he would be willing to put in extra time with recruiting and at the office.
He has done the best job of any SC coach that I can think of. That speaks for itself. There are inherent circumstances at SC that will negatively affect any coach's record there. To me, what he has done at SC has only further enhanced my view of him as a great coach.
As for his work ethic, that same work ethic resulted in his recruiting tremendous talent at UF, both in quality and quantity. Maybe his time off of work has allowed him to perform at a high level for many years in the profession, and had he not done so, he may have burned out like Meyer. Maybe without that time off he would be a worse coach.
His recruiting and coaching record says all that I need to know.
This post was edited by luvtruthg8r 14 months ago
Great coach and a good scout for talent for his system but that doesn't mean he's not a lazy recruiter. South Carolina's rise in recruiting had more to do with his assistants being dogged recruiters than Spurrier himself. Hes not one to be burning the midnight oil watching tape on recruits. Xs and Os maybe but not recruiting. He didn't even check the faxes till 11:45 yesterday. Obviously his assistants did but that he doesn't have that controlling personality when it comes to anything but coaching offense.
This may also be the reason why he can coach for a longer period of time than other coaches will.
This post was edited by miamigator 14 months ago
Pretty sure that Muschamp is not using the evaluations of website gurus.
That said, Spurrier can coach 'em up pretty well and, prior to this year, SC put more talent on the field than UF at a bunch of positions for the 2 years prior to that, with classes that ranked far lower. So I'd say that their evaluation was superior to that of Meyer in the final couple of years.
This post was edited by Fugitive 14 months ago
"Let go of your hatred, down-voting Jedi. Hatred leads to the Dark Side of the Force."
His record at Florida can not in any way be disparaged. He is the reason Florida football is what it is today. Nothing that he does now can smear that from his resume. But let's just look at his SC years. I know SC was not a football powerhouse when he got there. But let's say he spends a decade there, so only two more seasons, and finishes with 1 SEC East title and no SEC titles, all while being paid as a top ten head coach nationally. In the end, that has to be a major disappointment.
I cant compare Spurrier to Muschamp just yet, but I can compare to Meyer, I do think that Spurrier is a better coach and Meyer severely missed on some guys his last couple years...but in defense of Meyer, he does have 2 national titles... 1.5 if you are in agreement with the first one was Zooks guys... Spurrier in all his years at USCe has 1 SEC championship game appearance to show and I think it is more because he cant bring in the talent and depth consistently. In any other conference USCe would be killing it, but in the SEC where you cant gimmick yourself to wins with less talent, it's a premium that talent be there...
Food for thought...
Texas... Vince Young and Colt McCoy gone = Mack Brown nearly out the door
Auburn... Cam Newton gone = Gene Chizik doing 10 hours of recruiting talk on ESPN months after he got fired
Again, what constitutes a head coach being a good recruiter?
You say that "South Carolina's rise in recruiting had more to do with his assistants being dogged recruiters than Spurrier himself". First, how do you even know this to be definitely true? And please, don't start with "It's all over the Internet", or "It's common knowledge among the insiders of college football that this is true".
Second, with Spurrier, it's always the assistants who are the good recruiters, at least for some of you, when you analyze his recruiting record at Florida and SC. Who attracted and hired those assistants? Whose reputation do those assistants tout when they go out recruiting? How good are these assistants as recruiters when working for a mediocre program, or an average run of the mill coach? Put some of his assistants at Purdue or Boston College, and then see how well they recruit. Whose name is it that allows them to get their "feet in the door" with recruits? Do you think it's just dumb blind luck that has caused recruiting success at both of his programs (with SC, please don't forget to judge this on a relative basis)?
To me, a head coach should be rated as a good recruiter when he sets up a set of circumstances and a paradigm that produces good results relative to the power and history of his program. Spurrier most definitely does that.
He got lazy because it's easy to get a top class at UF. Getting the right top class is what Boom is doing!
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