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Latest on Winston: DNA links Winston to victim

  • I am not sure it will be taken care of by the beginning of the week. The SA said yesterday that could have been a preliminary conversation w the accuser, meaning there could be more.

    Also I believe it is drastically over played that the SAO will make his decision, or time frame to do with anything about FSU schedule.

  • TheInstiGATOR said... (original post)

    The states attorney's problem is this:

    1. If he is not going to charge, he needs to not charge before FSU loses a game and he gets blamed for disrupting the season.

    2. If he is going to charge, then he wants FSU to lose a game before he charges.

    He just got the case and taking a month to decide whether to charge is reasonable. I could see him deciding to charge sometime after the ACC championship game or if he is not going to charge, he might announce that early next week. I doubt he can drag this out into January.

    I too think he clearly has enough evidence to charge, DNA, a witness willing to testify and a timely complaint are plenty to charge. As others have suggested, prosecutorial ethics require that they not use charging to punish someone if there is not evidence to convict. However, the evidence outlined above is enough to get to a jury.

    yeah hes in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. if you charge before the UF game you will incite a riot in Tallahassee. if you wait til a later date you look like you are playing favorites with the football program

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  • BitterGreg said... (original post)

    Also I believe it is drastically over played that the SAO will make his decision, or time frame to do with anything about FSU schedule.

    yeah people will make a big deal if he waits but if hes interested in making the correct decision he needs to evaluate all the information he has at his disposal and make the best possible decision. no matter what happens somebody is not going to be happy

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  • So once again FSU insiders get it wrong. SAO likely not going to deside before turkey day.

    http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268750/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=U1p0zZRq

  • This was from Yardbarker and this is the closest to the truth. Jamies will not get charged he will play against Florida and even if he gets hurt.. You all are terrible and will lose if he plays or not!

    1. Winstons high school and current girl is a BB player at Rice University
    2. Alleged victim was a hook up buddy/side piece who knew Winston, her roommate dated a WR on the FSU Football team
    3. His girlfriend was set to fly in to spend the weekend with Winston, obviously having a side piece is not cool and he attempts to break it off.
    4. This upsets alleged victim, as she hopes for more and wanted to be the number 1 in Winston's life
    5. She was upset on twitter around 11:45 on December 6th about the relationship and talked to a friend on twitter is she needed to call her.
    6. In a fit of rage she claims rape
    7. Wheels get set in motion and FSUPD refers over to TPD, she panics and says she does not know the perpetrator and describes someone completely different than Winston. She does get a rape kit administered.
    8. At a later date she finally does identify Winston, but after she was questioned/warned about her inconsistent statements and decided she better drop it. she becomes unresponsive to requests from TPD to gather more information.
    9. Meanwhile Winston's party becomes aware of an ongoing claim/investigation to rape. Winston is truthful to the Attorney/Jimbo Fisher from the get go about the whole situation with alleged victim. Additionally, he provides two witnesses confirming what happened that night including his teammate and HER ROOMATE. They sign written affidavits confirming Winston's innocence.
    10. Months pass by and her Aunt Lawyer in Tampa Bay catches wind of the possible rape of her niece....and although the girl still doesn't want to press charges super Aunt & Partner/Associate Press on sensing a potential civil case.
    11. alleged victims FACEBOOK. TWITTER, and INSTAGRAM accounts are suspended within the last week.
    12. There are tweets, pictures and posts that will prove she was still cheering on the very team/player that she claimed rape against.
    13. They lead the ID # to Matt Baker and TMZ in attempt to bring this controversy to light.... Works like a charm.
    14. As the case is getting moved forward the facts will start to come out, pretty soon the whole thing will unravel since she was never honest and the whole thing snowballed and got away from her.

    This post was edited by DDSTEED 5 months ago

  • DDSTEED said... (original post)

    This was from Yardbarker and this is the closest to the truth. Jamies will not get charged he will play against Florida and even if he gets hurt.. You all are terrible and will lose if he plays or not!

    1. Winstons high school and current girl is a BB player at Rice University 2. Alleged victim was a hook up buddy/side piece who knew Winston, her roommate dated a WR on the FSU Football team 3. His girlfriend was set to fly in to spend the weekend with Winston, obviously having a side piece is not cool and he attempts to break it off. 4. This upsets alleged victim, as she hopes for more and wanted to be the number 1 in Winston's life 5. She was upset on twitter around 11:45 on December 6th about the relationship and talked to a friend on twitter is she needed to call her. 6. In a fit of rage she claims rape 7. Wheels get set in motion and FSUPD refers over to TPD, she panics and says she does not know the perpetrator and describes someone completely different than Winston. She does get a rape kit administered. 8. At a later date she finally does identify Winston, but after she was questioned/warned about her inconsistent statements and decided she better drop it. she becomes unresponsive to requests from TPD to gather more information. 9. Meanwhile Winston's party becomes aware of an ongoing claim/investigation to rape. Winston is truthful to the Attorney/Jimbo Fisher from the get go about the whole situation with alleged victim. Additionally, he provides two witnesses confirming what happened that night including his teammate and HER ROOMATE. They sign written affidavits confirming Winston's innocence. 10. Months pass by and her Aunt Lawyer in Tampa Bay catches wind of the possible rape of her niece....and although the girl still doesn't want to press charges super Aunt & Partner/Associate Press on sensing a potential civil case. 11. alleged victims FACEBOOK. TWITTER, and INSTAGRAM accounts are suspended within the last week. 12. There are tweets, pictures and posts that will prove she was still cheering on the very team/player that she claimed rape against. 13. They lead the ID # to Matt Baker and TMZ in attempt to bring this controversy to light.... Works like a charm. 14. As the case is getting moved forward the facts will start to come out, pretty soon the whole thing will unravel since she was never honest and the whole thing snowballed and got away from her.

    Another Sem conspiracy theorist? I think we've all heard this theory already. Solid troll, though.

  • not a troll... trust me if their was a chance he was guilty he would be charged by now. No state official would ever put a football player over a rape victim. I do not care how good the player is.

    This post was edited by DDSTEED 5 months ago

  • Thomas Goldkamp said... (original post)

    TEED said..

    You guys know nothing, might as well call you noles a bunch of jon snows but that wouldnt fit because he is respectable. Please be civil and keep your rubish out of our threads as we have a lick of sense to not revictimization this girl with asinine acusations while the investigation is still going on.

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  • DDSTEED said... (original post)

    not a troll... trust me if their was a chance he was guilty he would be charged by now. No state official would ever put a football player over a rape victim. I do not care how good the player is.

    All of that is rumor and prob BS. What is a fact is the accusers lawyer has publicly stated she did not know JW before that night, and could not ID him until she saw him in a football media guild.

    Your comment about if he was going to be charged he would by now shows your lack of knowledge of the justice system.

  • DDSTEED said... (original post)

    This was from Yardbarker and this is the closest to the truth. Jamies will not get charged he will play against Florida and even if he gets hurt.. You all are terrible and will lose if he plays or not!

    1. Winstons high school and current girl is a BB player at Rice University 2. Alleged victim was a hook up buddy/side piece who knew Winston, her roommate dated a WR on the FSU Football team 3. His girlfriend was set to fly in to spend the weekend with Winston, obviously having a side piece is not cool and he attempts to break it off. 4. This upsets alleged victim, as she hopes for more and wanted to be the number 1 in Winston's life 5. She was upset on twitter around 11:45 on December 6th about the relationship and talked to a friend on twitter is she needed to call her. 6. In a fit of rage she claims rape 7. Wheels get set in motion and FSUPD refers over to TPD, she panics and says she does not know the perpetrator and describes someone completely different than Winston. She does get a rape kit administered. 8. At a later date she finally does identify Winston, but after she was questioned/warned about her inconsistent statements and decided she better drop it. she becomes unresponsive to requests from TPD to gather more information. 9. Meanwhile Winston's party becomes aware of an ongoing claim/investigation to rape. Winston is truthful to the Attorney/Jimbo Fisher from the get go about the whole situation with alleged victim. Additionally, he provides two witnesses confirming what happened that night including his teammate and HER ROOMATE. They sign written affidavits confirming Winston's innocence. 10. Months pass by and her Aunt Lawyer in Tampa Bay catches wind of the possible rape of her niece....and although the girl still doesn't want to press charges super Aunt & Partner/Associate Press on sensing a potential civil case. 11. alleged victims FACEBOOK. TWITTER, and INSTAGRAM accounts are suspended within the last week. 12. There are tweets, pictures and posts that will prove she was still cheering on the very team/player that she claimed rape against. 13. They lead the ID # to Matt Baker and TMZ in attempt to bring this controversy to light.... Works like a charm. 14. As the case is getting moved forward the facts will start to come out, pretty soon the whole thing will unravel since she was never honest and the whole thing snowballed and got away from her.

    Literally not a single thing in those 14 points is a fact...

    Second yardbarker is the same type of site as Bleacher Report, so simply putting a bunch of rumors in an article and then linking them on facebook and other sites does not make an article legitimate.

    Lastly, its going to be fun to watch all of you Noles have a meltdown after swallowing all this crap because of your need to support a rapist due to the fact that he is the best player you've had in over 10 years. It's pretty sick how you guys are so willing to try and drag this girl through the mud when a representative of your university most likely raped her.

    How about you just be a normal human being and say something like, " Wow, That sounds terrible, I hope this isn't true." rather than making things up about a rape victim to protect a football season.

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  • I still think the SAO is asking and waiting of the two sides to come to a settlement, which would be confidential. Bear with me- Winston, guilty or not, if the evidence is enough to charge, his nfl stock plummets. The alleged victim, she gains nothing but justice if it goes to trial. Instead, Winston and his attorney give/promise x dollars in y years from now -nfl money- in a confidential document.

    Others have said this cannot happen as SAO will still have to press charges. Not true - if a 'confidential deal' is reached the alleged victim can all of a sudden refuse to testify or recant her story.

    This is very similar to what happened with Kobe Bryant. He ended up settling a civil suit with no rape charges.

    I think this is potentially being negotiated behind the scenes. Whatever happens - charges or no charges, it will probably be announced wed evening so the least possible press will be around.

  • Spike718 said... (original post)

    I still think the SAO is asking and waiting of the two sides to come to a settlement, which would be confidential. Bear with me- Winston, guilty or not, if the evidence is enough to charge, his nfl stock plummets. The alleged victim, she gains nothing but justice if it goes to trial. Instead, Winston and his attorney give/promise x dollars in y years from now -nfl money- in a confidential document.

    Others have said this cannot happen as SAO will still have to press charges. Not true - if a 'confidential deal' is reached the alleged victim can all of a sudden refuse to testify or recant her story.

    This is very similar to what happened with Kobe Bryant. He ended up settling a civil suit with no rape charges.

    I think this is potentially being negotiated behind the scenes. Whatever happens - charges or no charges, it will probably be announced wed evening so the least possible press will be around.

    as much as I hate to admit, this is very plausible. even if he didn't do it, both sides stand to gain substantially from not going to trial. accuser gains money, Winston continues to play and goes high in the draft. if it comes to trial, Winston cant play, he may get off but loses out on money. accuser gets no money or no justice.

    plus the accuser can get on with sueing TPD because we all know that's coming next

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  • Spike718 said... (original post)

    I still think the SAO is asking and waiting of the two sides to come to a settlement, which would be confidential. Bear with me- Winston, guilty or not, if the evidence is enough to charge, his nfl stock plummets. The alleged victim, she gains nothing but justice if it goes to trial. Instead, Winston and his attorney give/promise x dollars in y years from now -nfl money- in a confidential document.

    Others have said this cannot happen as SAO will still have to press charges. Not true - if a 'confidential deal' is reached the alleged victim can all of a sudden refuse to testify or recant her story.

    This is very similar to what happened with Kobe Bryant. He ended up settling a civil suit with no rape charges.

    I think this is potentially being negotiated behind the scenes. Whatever happens - charges or no charges, it will probably be announced wed evening so the least possible press will be around.

    I am not a law major, but I am pretty sure you cant pay off an accuser of rape to have them not pursue charges, and even more sure the SAO is not brokering that deal. That is why rape victims dont decide if charges are brought, the SAO is.

  • phillip740il said... (original post)

    as much as I hate to admit, this is very plausible. even if he didn't do it, both sides stand to gain substantially from not going to trial. accuser gains money, Winston continues to play and goes high in the draft. if it comes to trial, Winston cant play, he may get off but loses out on money. accuser gets no money or no justice.

    plus the accuser can get on with sueing TPD because we all know that's coming next

    Unfortunately this is probably what will happen. I say unfortunately, not because I hate fsu and I don't like Winston, but because it sends the wrong message to young athletes. That's why the case is so damn sensitive. It sucks. For both parties it sucks. Potentially a young lady for raped and a football player is lying to look good or potentially a girl is lying and a football player with a bright future is getting a bad rep and may lose out on a heisman. Too much can go on. Such a sensitive case.

  • Another thing people don't get is if they have pictures of the act of them having sex, she clearly has stated it was rape, ten he would have illegally been taking pictures of them having sex so he could possibly get charged for that too

  • my gut says he walks. jimbo looks very much at ease suddenly, i think he likely already knows the outcome. no pun.

    but my gut can lead me astray like with mexican food for example.

  • phillip740il said... (original post)

    as much as I hate to admit, this is very plausible. even if he didn't do it, both sides stand to gain substantially from not going to trial. accuser gains money, Winston continues to play and goes high in the draft. if it comes to trial, Winston cant play, he may get off but loses out on money. accuser gets no money or no justice.

    plus the accuser can get on with sueing TPD because we all know that's coming next

    so what happens if he breaks his neck and can never play football again, and never gets nfl money? she gets no money and no justice. highly doubt that a deal like that happens.

  • I'm not saying it is or can happen. Just throwing it out there as another possible scenario, however unlikely or likely. Money over dignity happens all the time.

  • Dcousins said... (original post)

    so what happens if he breaks his neck and can never play football again, and never gets nfl money? she gets no money and no justice. highly doubt that a deal like that happens.

    im sure if a backdoor deal occurred that he would have to pay up front. not to mention that a lot of college players take out insurance policies for a couple million dollars in case that kind of thing happens. the policy only pays if they get hurt and cant play a single snap in the NFL. if they even go to preseason they don't get the money

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  • If this goes to trial, I hope they move it to Gainesville. The people in Tally have all ready shone they are biased.whistling

  • phillip740il said... (original post)

    im sure if a backdoor deal occurred that he would have to pay up front. not to mention that a lot of college players take out insurance policies for a couple million dollars in case that kind of thing happens. the policy only pays if they get hurt and cant play a single snap in the NFL. if they even go to preseason they don't get the money

    Does his family have $ to pay up front. Any other source and it's an ncaa violation.

  • Of course, this is all speculation about a scenario we know nothing about.

  • man youre no fun spike.

    for me, hes guilty. i think he and 3 other teammates involved "all starters obv" and jimbo knew all about it and played them anyway. meggs will arrest them all in the tunnel coming onto the field on saturday. UF will win the game. fsu will forfeit 5 bowl games including this year and they will give up 5 scolarships a year. the ncaa will then double the punishment. jimbo and mike martin will resign.

    thats what i think.

  • DDSTEED said... (original post)

    7. Wheels get set in motion and FSUPD refers over to TPD, she panics and says she does not know the perpetrator and describes someone completely different than Winston. She does get a rape kit administered.

    So you are claiming she described her attacker as someone Asian-American or European-American?

    This post was edited by TheInstiGATOR 5 months ago

  • Spike718 said... (original post)

    I still think the SAO is asking and waiting of the two sides to come to a settlement, which would be confidential. Bear with me- Winston, guilty or not, if the evidence is enough to charge, his nfl stock plummets. The alleged victim, she gains nothing but justice if it goes to trial. Instead, Winston and his attorney give/promise x dollars in y years from now -nfl money- in a confidential document.

    Others have said this cannot happen as SAO will still have to press charges. Not true - if a 'confidential deal' is reached the alleged victim can all of a sudden refuse to testify or recant her story.

    This is very similar to what happened with Kobe Bryant. He ended up settling a civil suit with no rape charges.

    I think this is potentially being negotiated behind the scenes. Whatever happens - charges or no charges, it will probably be announced wed evening so the least possible press will be around.

    So he can just pay her $, and the charges are dropped?