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In his press conference today he said that in his coaches poll he put FSU at #4 ahead of Bama at #5... also said polls should be based on how you play not who you play.
they got a boise st type schedule so thats not surprising
LORD FORGIVE ME FOR THE GOON DADDY IS COMING OUT TONIGHT
Goons belong in hockey.
all whining aside hes got a point. the computers do a terrible job of picking whos the best etc. the old eyeball test really was the best way. we still wouldnt be in it based on how garbage our schedule was but the rankings would be much more accurate. the old way was the best way. everyone played the bowl games and then the pollsters decided who won the MNC. we didnt have all the controversy we have nowadays.
id be fine with giving 60 or so head coaches votes as well as members of the media and letting them decide.
hell id take it a step further and demolish the bowl tie in system. rank the bowls on prestige and let them pick the matchups they want. would mean a lot better bowls and you dont end up with a 10win team from the ACC playing a 5th place pac10 team and a 8 win SEC playing a 8win Big ten team on new years day(auburn northwestern a couple years ago). just imagine the matchups that could be created using that system
This post was edited by phillip740il 17 months ago
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He doesn't have a point, IMO. His point is that if you beat shitty teams 80-0 you should consider that more heavily that a team with 5 tough wins?
Usually s good poster with good points
Not this one. U may be the best one loss team out there, but there is no excuse for loosing
And no way to justify having any chance at playing in the NC game.
Also blame ur conference for having a bad year. Except Clemson
well im not sure why im bein downvoted for agreeing with him. the old way was much better than the bcs mess
i never said we deserve to be in the MNC. you cant lose a game like we did and think youre gonna get in. im not sure where you got that from my post. i wholeheartedly blame the ACC this year. every one of them, besides clemson, has been so bad i cant fathom it. 3 years ago we sent 9 of 12 teams to bowls, this year in week 11 we have 4 bowl eligible teams, 5 if you count UNC but they are banned. the ACC is a complete embarrassment this year, worse than usual. it went from a mediocre conference to a dumpsterfire
Phillip, please clarify-
You really think margin of victory should count and strength of schedule shouldn't?
I don't blame him for saying it, he has to, but let's be serious here....
when i say eyeball test i mean an objective overview. when i look at a team i say ok. good defensive stats, good offense, margin of victory, ok now who did they play. i also look objectively at how a team was playing at the time you beat them, not how they finish. team A might start out hot and be 6-0, we beat them and knock their qb out for good, they only win 1 more game all year. that team doesnt neccesarily suck, they lost their most important player and suffered for it because all they had was a true frosh qb. there are some mitigating factors obviously
ill use FSU as an example here
we're 9-1 right now.
Defense - playing great. A
Offense - putting up numbers. A-
SOS - not too good. 1 good win over a top 10 team. 1 good road win(VT sucks but they are dynamite at home and Lane stadium is tough to play in). 1 bad loss@NCSU. final grade C/C-
Eyeball test #8
the positives outweigh the negatives but we have no business being in the top 5 or MNC conversation.
Beat maryland mercilessly on the road and beat top 10 UF we plateau at 5-6 tops. bad schedule plus bad road loss means we have a ceiling and no claim to play in the MNC
How do you consider how you play if strength of schedule should be thrown out?
Do you think we should be discredited because we play to win by one more than to win by 50?
It's also a fair assumption that if margin of victory was so important, we might change up our style of play
SOS isnt thrown out. its looked at by voters and not by a computer. humans are more reliable than a computer. for example you guys would most likely be hurt because of the ULL game, razor thin win at home over a garbage team. the computer only sees that you win it, not how you win it. on the other hand you get leverage with voters for beating good teams by only 1. its a double edged sword. you get extra points with voters for going to college station and beating the aggies in a very hostile environment.
human voting wants to see you blow out trash teams like kentucky and Bowling green, and win at all cost against teams like LSU and georgia.
He's saying SOS doesn't matter.
yeah dont agree with that. SOS is definately a factor, just not in the way its used currently, it carries too much weight and teams that arent really that good get more credit than they should.
in the end it doesnt matter. they wont do anything to determine the winner that makes any sense. the new playoff format is garbage as well. it needs to be at least 8 teams preferably 16 but thats a bit of a stretch for college athletes. 4 is still not enough in my book to determine a winner
Seriously, would your offense and defense be an "A-" and "A" if you were playing tough physical games every week? I mean c'mon the toughest game you played was against Clemson and they are soft ass hell on defense and a finesse team on offense and not a power in your face team and you guys still gave up 40 to them. FSU plays soft teams every week which makes them look great and more physical then what they really are. FSU is good but if they had to play tough physical games every other week I don't know how good they would look, I mean UF looks dead and beat compared to how they looked against LSU.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by secrocks2000 17 months ago
cant tell this year. maybe maybe not. the defense probably but the offense i doubt it. im going on what i see on the surface. clemson scored 37 but had to use serious trickeration to do it. they had 1 trash TD with less than 3 mins left. and a halfback pass for a td. EJ was running into the endzone when he slid with a min left to just knee off the game. the score could have been different. half of clemsons scoring plays were ones theyd never used before and we had no film on. thats the sign of desperation
i am worried about playing you guys only because we havewnt played many tough teams. VTs DL played hard and beat on our OL, the rest of their team is garbage but their DL is legit. playing tough teams hardens up your players and playing a schedule like ours can shellshock them when they face someone nasty.
FSU lost to a team that lost to UTenn.
No major injuries or bad calls just got beat. Also WVU sucks in case you hadn't kept up with them since they bailed on you.
If you wanted a NT you just had to beat NC state and couldn't do it. Get over it.
2 of the 6 computer poll creators have come out publicly against disallowing margin of victory in the computer polls (Sagarin and Massey) several others produce polls not used in the BCS that they claim to be more accurate which also use margin of victory. Here is what Sagarin has to say.
"In ELO_CHESS, only winning and losing matters; the score margin is of no consequence, which makes it very "politically correct". However it is less accurate in its predictions for upcoming games than is the PURE POINTS, in which the score margin is the only thing that matters. PURE POINTS is also known as PREDICTOR, BALLANTINE, RHEINGOLD, WHITE OWL and is the best single PREDICTOR of future games. The ELO_CHESS will be utilized by the Bowl Championship Series(BCS)."
We'll see next week what Vegas thinks but I have a feeling they won't be putting too much weight on the computer rankings (ie they won't create the line based on #3 UF at #17 FSU, if they did UF would likely be a 6-7 point favorite).
This post was edited by GoNolez2004 17 months ago
haha wow way to read my posts there bud. ive stated multiple times we didnt deserve to play for it if we couldnt lose to a team like NCSU.
im glad there are a few cool gators, jwren, DPgators and secrocks2000, here who understand what im getting at. youd understand my point if you read through the whole thread chief
There is no perfect system in determining the best team in College Football. The best system IMO is a playoff system. But there is even ridicule about the NFL playoff system when a 8-8 Denver team makes it into the playoffs over a team with 9 or 10 wins. And how many teams should be in the playoff? 16? 8? 4?
I disagree with the eyeball test completely. I am a die hard Gator fan, and both of our recent National Championship appearances the Gators were expected to get BLOWN OUT by supposedly a MUCH better Offensive team. Well history wrote that story differently and that is why the SEC gets so much respect in the SOS conversation. Kind of hard to argue with 6 National Championships in a row... Go Gators!
I don't understand how anyone could have a beef with the computers role in determining the National Championship Game. They are the very definition of objective. They aren't everything to begin with as there is a human element to the BCS as well.
It was the humans that voted Alabama into the NC Game last year and not the computers, which made anywhere between zero and no sense.
The eyeball test is infinitely more flawed than the computers are, but it does have its place as a balance is needed between humans and computers to minimize mistakes IMO.
Some problems include the natural favoring of offensive minded teams, putting too much into the last game instead a team's overall resume, not taking into account the difficulty of opponent, too many pre-existing notions of teams that can lead to false conclusions, and natural biases/personal agendas (These voters would have to have some kind of allegiance to a school or conference).
I don't mind a committee in basketball/baseball as there are many teams selected hence leaving the impact of mistakes in the selection process at a minimum, but I just don't trust humans solely in deciding what 2-4 teams should play for it all.
Ayyyy shout out from a Nole haha yeah but u put a p in my name I fixed it for you ^^^
haha missed that. fixed it for you there bud
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