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  • Jimbo Fisher has already done something Bobby Bowden couldn’t do...

    Defeat doesn't finish a man - quit does. A man is not finished when he's defeated. He's finished when he quits. - Richard Nixon

  • Two responses...

    You think schools are going to stop recruiting him now?

    And this comment is laughable...

    ”It brings momentum and it makes people take notice of what’s going on,” Fisher said. “And like I say, good players all want to play with other good players. If they’re true champions.”

    If they don't get another good player does Wilder play with himself?

    I keep saying, they will find out what they've got and how good they are when they play Oklahoma.

  • Sigh...leave it to Bianchi to stir the pot.

    Wasn't this the same guy who was ripping "recruiting experts" for knowing nothing a couple of weeks ago in reference to the knocks on Emmitt Smith's game coming out of high school? Now he's using the opinion of the same "experts" to write a column on Florida State making a statement on the recruiting trail.

    I'm not even saying I disagree with his point in this article...just saying he's playing both sides of the fence (which is pretty typical of newspaper columnists.)

  • Justin Hopkins

    I'm going to go with score 1-1. Elam and Wilder making the tie.

    But the comments about Wilder making momentum to FSU is dead on. It's definitely a statement. Up until 2 weeks ago, no one could imagine Wilder going anywhere but UF.

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  • About the only thing this will do is motivate the Meyer recruiting machine to step things up. I have no doubt Florida State will put together a very good recruiting class, but I seriously doubt Jimbo Fisher and FSU are going to outrecruit Urban Meyer. Wilder was a MUST get for FSU but until Jimbo wins more than an occasional battle with Urban, the jury is out and will stay out.

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  • Hopkins, the fact that FSU is having to trump a single recruiting victory (for the time being) like this only proves just how down they are in comparison to UF's recruiting.

  • Justin Hopkins

    No doubt they are down compared to UF recruiting over the last 5 years plus, especially the last two. No debate. But this is Fisher's first full recruiting cycle this year. I'd say he's already pushed the program in the right direction. And this is a big get for him and the momentum of that program. That said, no they won't finish with more stars than UF this year. But I'm not a stars guy.

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  • Fisher has some high level recruits that have committed this year. But, so have we. How many players are we going head to head with FSU?

  • Why do people keep saying this is Fishers first go around? He's been with FSU for many years now and has been running that show. Do people honestly think Bowden was calling the shots? Really?

    They are using this as a "time to usher in a new era" when they've been presiding over the last few years of futility.

    Anyway, good get for FSU no doubt. Wilder bought the RB sale hook, line, and sinker. One year or two years before he's on defense?

  • Good for FSU...bad for Wilder, not really a big deal for Florida. I'll take Waisome, thank you very much. Being a big fish in a little pond is not always a good thing.

  • htowngator said... (original post)

    Why do people keep saying this is Fishers first go around? He's been with FSU for many years now and has been running that show. Do people honestly think Bowden was calling the shots? Really?
    They are using this as a "time to usher in a new era" when they've been presiding over the last few years of futility.
    Anyway, good get for FSU no doubt. Wilder bought the RB sale hook, line, and sinker. One year or two years before he's on defense?

    He hasn't been though. He's been running the offense, not the program. If he'd been running the program why did it take until this offseason for FSU to add a nutrition expert to the staff? To upgrade our S+C coach? To get new defensive coaches?

    Jimbo had a lot of control, yes. But not total control. One game where Bobby was talking to some old buddies and couldn't make the pre-game speech (not a joke), Jimbo and Amato both wanted to make the speech for him. They fought, and nobody ended up making the speech. This was the USF game that FSU lost. Obviously if Jimbo had as much control as you think he'd be able to give pre-game speeches.

  • htowngator said... (original post)

    Why do people keep saying this is Fishers first go around? He's been with FSU for many years now and has been running that show. Do people honestly think Bowden was calling the shots? Really?

    No. I absolutely don't think Bowden was calling the shots. But I also don't think Bowden was allowing anybody else (particularly Fisher) to call the shots either. In fact I think that was the biggest problem with FSU for the past 5+ years. Nobody was in charge!

    So I think this really is Fisher's first go around.

  • AtlantaGator86 said... (original post)

    No. I absolutely don't think Bowden was calling the shots. But I also don't think Bowden was allowing anybody else (particularly Fisher) to call the shots either. In fact I think that was the biggest problem with FSU for the past 5+ years. Nobody was in charge!
    So I think this really is Fisher's first go around.

    I agree.

    Fisher had a lot of input the last few years, but this is his show entirely for the first time this year.

  • So I guess those years where Jimbo was the defacto FSU coach don't really count eh? Neither does last year when UF out recruited FSU, and beat them on the field for the 7th year in a row. Somehow, 1 recruit evens the score. Well it's a good thing that FSU fans have set the bar low, because this year will be Ponder's last, and this is about as good as it is going to get for them.

  • As for recruiting which you are counting...Fisher has been the one calling the shots since he took over the "Coach in Waiting" title. If that ain't the case, then I guess he's been stretching the truth a bit far with local recruits.

    If I was keeping score I'd start with any recruit since that contract was signed, but that's just me because that's when Jimbo thought he became the one calling all the recruiting shots.

  • Ron Sanders said... (original post)

    So I guess those years where Jimbo was the defacto FSU coach don't really count eh? Neither does last year when UF out recruited FSU, and beat them on the field for the 7th year in a row. Somehow, 1 recruit evens the score. Well it's a good thing that FSU fans have set the bar low, because this year will be Ponder's last, and this is about as good as it is going to get for them.

    cnorgard said...
    As for recruiting which you are counting...Fisher has been the one calling the shots since he took over the "Coach in Waiting" title. If that ain't the case, then I guess he's been stretching the truth a bit far with local recruits.

    If I was keeping score I'd start with any recruit since that contract was signed, but that's just me because that's when Jimbo thought he became the one calling all the recruiting shots.

    Jimbo was the Head Coach in Waiting. That doesn't mean he has extra powers like deciding who to hire/fire.

    UF out-recruited FSU last year.... and a big reason for that was FSU was running with half a staff. Dexter Carter failed the recruiting test and couldn't visit prospects on his own. Chuck Amato was lazy and put in no effort. Jody Allen the same. Mickey didn't recruit either. Kind of hard to put together a full class with only 4 guys (Jimbo, Coley, Trickett, Dawsey) who recruited the whole year. Gran and others came late but they only had 1 month to recruit, not nearly enough time to do anything.

    Jimbo hasn't been calling the shots. Again, if he did why did he wait until Bowden was gone to make all these changes? Just a coincidence. Read what I posted a few posts ago, don't ignore it. He called the offensive plays and was the main recruiter, that's it. He didn't have anything like the powers Meyer had.

  • I will agree that Jimbo has put together a better staff for recruiting.

    By the way, wonder what's going to happen with Eddie Gran since the NCAA is investigating him with what happened at Tennessee?

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  • CP7 said... (original post)

    Dexter Carter failed the recruiting test and couldn't visit prospects on his own.

    Hmmm...I honestly don't know if that is true or not. It is possible to fail the test once and take it again until it is passed. Carter did a really good job on the recruiting trail for Florida State. Nick Waisome may have been on his way to FSU, but when Carter's contract was not renewed, the Seminoles' chances with the Under Armour All-American went south.

    I know Carter was very involved with the Greg Dent recruitment as well, and helping secure his services for FSU. Generally, most of the feedback I heard in regards to Carter on the recruiting trail was pretty positive.

  • htowngator said... (original post)

    Why do people keep saying this is Fishers first go around? He's been with FSU for many years now and has been running that show. Do people honestly think Bowden was calling the shots? Really?

    They are using this as a "time to usher in a new era" when they've been presiding over the last few years of futility.

    Anyway, good get for FSU no doubt. Wilder bought the RB sale hook, line, and sinker. One year or two years before he's on defense?

    Jimbo was calling the shots on offensive recruits - not defensive guys.

    Defeat doesn't finish a man - quit does. A man is not finished when he's defeated. He's finished when he quits. - Richard Nixon

  • htowngator said... (original post)

    Why do people keep saying this is Fishers first go around? He's been with FSU for many years now and has been running that show. Do people honestly think Bowden was calling the shots? Really?

    They are using this as a "time to usher in a new era" when they've been presiding over the last few years of futility.

    Anyway, good get for FSU no doubt. Wilder bought the RB sale hook, line, and sinker. One year or two years before he's on defense?

    Jimbo was calling the shots on offensive recruits - not defensive guys.

    Defeat doesn't finish a man - quit does. A man is not finished when he's defeated. He's finished when he quits. - Richard Nixon

  • Franz Beard said... (original post)

    About the only thing this will do is motivate the Meyer recruiting machine to step things up. I have no doubt Florida State will put together a very good recruiting class, but I seriously doubt Jimbo Fisher and FSU are going to outrecruit Urban Meyer. Wilder was a MUST get for FSU but until Jimbo wins more than an occasional battle with Urban, the jury is out and will stay out.

    First, let me credit Urban Meyer, He has obviously done a terrific job. He took what Ron Zook left him, didn't screw it up, and built upon it...

    All that said, I do think Jimbo Fisher will win at least 50% of the battles with Urban Meyer for several reasons:

    1. Urban Meyer is smart, but Jimbo is equally as smart. Edge: PUSH

    2. Urban works as hard as anyone, but Jimbo does too. I've gotten calls from Jimbo Fisher at 5:30 am on the way into the office and after midnight on the way home. He keeps Nick Saban hours. Edge: PUSH

    3. If you look at the staffs at both Florida and FSU, who has the better COACHING staff and the better RECRUITING staff? I'm not taking about individuals, like Addazzio, etc. I mean, as a whole, who has the better staff? I think it's clearly FSU - on both counts. And that's not just my opinion. I have talked with numerous coaches who agree. I talked to one very famous former Gator last month who is less than impressed with Florida's current staff. EDGE: FSU

    Here's where it gets interesting...

    4. While Urban Meyer is a great recruiter, Jimbo may be better. Look at the players Fisher has signed over the years who have gone on to play in the NFL. He wins those battles in the same way that Meyer wins them: hard work, organization and process. However, Fisher gets the edge in personality. People like Jimbo Fisher one on one. He's a likable guy. Parents trust him. I've worked with a LOT of great coaches over the years. The best ones, in no particular order, are Ron Zook, Sal Sunseri, Larry Fedora, Joe Wickline, Rick Trickett, Mike Locksley, Jimbo Fisher, Nick Saban, Mike Haywood...

    Here's the thing, Fisher may be the best because of personality. People don't like Urban Meyer as a person. They like him as a coach. That's okay - and it's not a knock. It's just the truth. He wins because he's relentless, organized, competitive, etc...

    Jimbo is all of those things too, but people actually like him. In the long run, that's why he'll win as many battles has he loses with Florida.

    Defeat doesn't finish a man - quit does. A man is not finished when he's defeated. He's finished when he quits. - Richard Nixon

  • I would take Florida's staff over the FSU staff any day of the week starting with Addazio over Rick Trickett. The NFL scouts I know tend to agree that this is a seriously good Florida staff, maybe the best that Urban has had.

    And ... Florida has definite advantages. The Gators play in the SEC not the ACC. Better TV contract. Better exposure. VASTLY better education. That's not even close. FSU is Romper Room.

    Now FSU probably won't go any lower than where it's been the last six years but I have serious doubts that the Seminoles will ever regain the glory days again. Jimbo and this staff might be an improvement, but they aren't going to change who sits at the top of the football world in this state and that's the Gators. As long as Urban Meyer is here, you can take that to the bank.

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  • Franz Beard said... (original post)

    I would take Florida's staff over the FSU staff any day of the week starting with Addazio over Rick Trickett. The NFL scouts I know tend to agree that this is a seriously good Florida staff, maybe the best that Urban has had.

    And ... Florida has definite advantages. The Gators play in the SEC not the ACC. Better TV contract. Better exposure. VASTLY better education. That's not even close. FSU is Romper Room.

    Now FSU probably won't go any lower than where it's been the last six years but I have serious doubts that the Seminoles will ever regain the glory days again. Jimbo and this staff might be an improvement, but they aren't going to change who sits at the top of the football world in this state and that's the Gators. As long as Urban Meyer is here, you can take that to the bank.

    My friend, we agree on most of your last post...

    However, there isn't a better offensive line coach in the country than Rick Trickett. I know. I've worked with him on two staffs. Addazio may be great too, but he's not better than Trickett.

    SEC is better than ACC. Better TV deal. UF is a better school.

    That said, when Momma sends her son off to college, she wants to know he's going to be taken care of. Fisher wins in the living room with Momma and Daddy.

    Another reason FSU has a chance to gain equal footing is that everyone knows that Fisher actually wants to coach... Urban could come in tomorrow and change his mind. Again.

    Defeat doesn't finish a man - quit does. A man is not finished when he's defeated. He's finished when he quits. - Richard Nixon

  • Ron Sanders said... (original post)

    First, let me credit Urban Meyer, He has obviously done a terrific job. He took what Ron Zook left him, didn't screw it up, and built upon it...

    All that said, I do think Jimbo Fisher will win at least 50% of the battles with Urban Meyer for several reasons:

    1. Urban Meyer is smart, but Jimbo is equally as smart. Edge: PUSH

    2. Urban works as hard as anyone, but Jimbo does too. I've gotten calls from Jimbo Fisher at 5:30 am on the way into the office and after midnight on the way home. He keeps Nick Saban hours. Edge: PUSH

    3. If you look at the staffs at both Florida and FSU, who has the better COACHING staff and the better RECRUITING staff? I'm not taking about individuals, like Addazzio, etc. I mean, as a whole, who has the better staff? I think it's clearly FSU - on both counts. And that's not just my opinion. I have talked with numerous coaches who agree. I talked to one very famous former Gator last month who is less than impressed with Florida's current staff. EDGE: FSU

    Here's where it gets interesting...

    4. While Urban Meyer is a great recruiter, Jimbo may be better. Look at the players Fisher has signed over the years who have gone on to play in the NFL. He wins those battles in the same way that Meyer wins them: hard work, organization and process. However, Fisher gets the edge in personality. People like Jimbo Fisher one on one. He's a likable guy. Parents trust him. I've worked with a LOT of great coaches over the years. The best ones, in no particular order, are Ron Zook, Sal Sunseri, Larry Fedora, Joe Wickline, Rick Trickett, Mike Locksley, Jimbo Fisher, Nick Saban, Mike Haywood...

    Here's the thing, Fisher may be the best because of personality. People don't like Urban Meyer as a person. They like him as a coach. That's okay - and it's not a knock. It's just the truth. He wins because he's relentless, organized, competitive, etc...

    Jimbo is all of those things too, but people actually like him. In the long run, that's why he'll win as many battles has he loses with Florida.

    Let me go through your reasons:

    1. Urban Meyer is smart and has won as a head coach at three levels. He's had an unbeaten team at Utah, two national championship teams in five years at Florida. He's 97-19 as a head coach. Jimbo Fisher? He's 0-0 as a head coach and his 2005 offense at LSU, which was loaded to the gills with high draft picks on the offensive side of the ball averaged exactly ONE more yard than Florida's offense, which, because of injuries had exactly ZERO healthy playmakers for more than half the season.

    2. Jimbo might keep Nick Saban hours but he isn't Nick Saban. He isn't Urban Meyer. Heck, he hasn't even won a single college football game yet.

    3. Coaching staffs. Top to bottom, I'll take Florida. Let's see, on Urban Meyer's coaching staff there are several coaches with national championship rings. Scot Loeffler has put more quarterbacks in the NFL than Jimbo Fisher, by the way. You could look it up. Teryl Austin? All coached two secondaries to the Super Bowl and both led the NFL in interceptions. Jimbo has coaches like Lawrence Dawsey. Oh please, don't make me laugh about that one. Mark Stoops? Just because his last name is Stoops doesn't mean he's actually done anything. Did you happen to see Arizona's defense? I've seen sieves that weren't that leaky. By the way, Eddie Gran is under NCAA investigation right now and they're looking all the way back to Auburn. I could go on and on.

    But let's talk about recruiting. Who's actually put together FIVE consecutive TOP FIVE recruiting classes and guess whose class is going to finish top three again this year? Won't be FSU.

    4. Jimbo is a better recruiter? I'm giggling. Seriously giggling over that one. But the only way to be fair about that one is to see what happens in five years. If Jimbo outrecruits Urban for five straight years then maybe you're on to something, but if you're honest, you know that's not going to happen. Florida's got too much to sell and FSU is still the country cousin taking state money to make ends meet. While FSU was cutting its athletic budget by 7.5% last year, Florida actually expanded its budget. Florida will take in 2/3 as much money from TELEVISION as FSU will spend on its entire athletic budget. What does that have to do with Urban and recruiting? Everything. Kids want to be on TV. Kids want to go where things are done first class. Selling Florida academics is easy. FSU is Romper Room. And Urban has proven it by putting together FIVE consecutive TOP FIVE recruiting classes. Let's see Jimbo do one before you make that claim.

    Bottom line is Jimbo BETTER win half the recruiting battles because if he doesn't he will fail.

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  • Opinions are like you-know-whats... everybody has one...

    We just have differing opinions. That's all.

    1. Nick kept the reigns on. Look at the track record. LSU's offense got better with Fisher. Was it #1 in the country every year? No. Didn't have to be. They won games. That's the way Nick wanted to win. He's the head coach. Fisher coached 4 of the top 5 passers in Auburn history. The 5th? He won the Heisman. FSU's offenses have drastically improved since the Jeff Bowden days. Who led the ACC in total offense last year?

    2. I didn't say Jimbo was Nick Saban. And, I didn't say he was a better head coach than Meyer. I said he's a better recruiter. And he has a better recruiting staff. We will soon find out what kind of head coach he is... I think he's going be pretty good.

    3. We talk to different people. The folks I talk to, in college and the NFL, think FSU has a far superior staff right now. We're not talking about Florida's staff last year. We're talking right now. There are some guys who don't belong. That's all I'm saying.

    4. You're right. We'll see what happens in five years, after Meyer has been retired for four of those... which is entirely possible...

    The points you make are valid. Florida is in a better conference and has more money. And those things matter. However, they don't matter as much as the impression the coach leaves on the family. I worked at Auburn, LSU, Florida and Southern Miss. We signed the #1 class in the country when I was at LSU. We signed top 5 classes at Florida. We signed the top class in the the conference every year I was at USM. What mattered most? The relationships and how the parents felt about the relationship with the head coach. Jimbo Fisher wins that battle hands down. Every time. Not even close. So, when you're talking about a kid whose family is involved in the decision, FSU will win most of those battles. Those kids are usually better teammates as well. That makes you a better team.

    One more point: "Bottom line is Jimbo BETTER win half the recruiting battles because if he doesn't he will fail."

    That quote is wrong. Jimbo doesn't have to win even half of those recruiting battles to be considered a success. You make the point that Florida is in a tougher conference. That's true. If FSU wins 40% of the recruiting battles with Florida, it wins the ACC every year and is likely guaranteed a 10 win season. That's a success.

    One more thing: that tougher SEC schedule leaves a team more beat up at season's end. Even at 40% on the recruiting trail, FSU will be on equal footing on the football field by late November. And what happens when FSU starts beating Florida more regularly? Recruiting gets easier, which makes those regular season ACC games a little easier. Pretty soon, the pendulum has swung back the other way...

    Defeat doesn't finish a man - quit does. A man is not finished when he's defeated. He's finished when he quits. - Richard Nixon