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Tebow went 1st round, that's pretty high.
You want to judge them off how they will perform in college football's top conference (I'll say SEC) since you earlier stated Sun Belt POY doesn't count because it's a "lower level." I agree, showing out and being very productive in the Sun Belt, MAC, C-USA etc. doesn't warrant a high ranking automatically.
I'm arguing if a player is capable of being productive in the SEC (where you think we should rank kids off of), then the player probably will be coveted by the NFL. Therefore, their NFL potential is considered high.
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It depends on what validates the ranking. I don't know what Dsvid Nelson was ranked out of high school but is career at UF was certainly not a 4* career. We liked him but he wasn't a superstar. If he had gone to Texas Tech and played for Mike Leach he likely would have had a better career.
It's all about potential. I think there are too many inconsistencies though.
Luke, there are countless examples of players who do well in college at the highest levels who have either been drafted low or not performed in the NFL.
Both college and NFL rate by two basic elements, where a kid is physically and where they'll end up being. Are you saying its more accurate to grade where a kid will be five years from now as opposed to the next four years?
Think about that
It isn't all about potential. It is if you're talking about how good he'll be in five years.
But a coach in college, and the fans, care about production also.
jwren, In your opinion, cuz I know you scoped Lane in person, will Lane battle KT and everyone else for the top spot from day one? or does he need time to develop?
I watched KT the other night on tv and of course, Im impressed. I am nonetheless impressed with Lane's sophomore tape. I cant wait to see senior year footage....
I was never a huge fan of what Kelvin brought to the table...until I saw him the other night.
Adam Lane will compete for PT immediately as will Kelvin. It's hard to compare those two though, because they really will have a different college running style.
Lane is going to be a bulkier version of Gilly. Slasher with some moves, speed, and power. Hits the hole hard.
Taylor is a back with great vision, balance, feet, and patience.
They will definitely both compete though, but mainly just because of the depth chart.
10-4 on the depth chart conduit to pt. As a throw back myself my guy was Barry Sanders. To me, Lane got that Barry in him. Needless to say, personally I think Lane could shock the G nation and dominate over the others but I know that's my nostalgia taking over.
Haven't been this happy about RB's since #5 E Graham got to campus. He never panned out to my excitement level but as a fan, man, I was excited about #5. I love this shi*! I've got to believe that A Lane watches all the hype KT gets and elevates his game. That's what I'd expect him to do, I could be wrong. KT's work ethic is stout. He's polished.
It's great to be a Florida Gator
scrait up jwren, thanks for going and watching/scouting Adam Lane live btw. Anything and everything you share about the kid I read up twice.
Care less about rankings ...more so original question .....Luke since Uve seen KT and lane a bunch live would greatly appreciate ure view on what type of impact u expect them to have in college ...ie are they top tier SEC backs ? No question neither is a Trich prospect ....only comes around every few years (like yeldon last yr) etc but is it reasonable to think these two kids are good enough to be rotation backs at bama or l$u ....ie see field along with guys like Spencer ware , alf blue, trevor lacey , ford etc those programs have
Or in ure opinion are they still a notch or two below those talents ? Tia
KT is enrolling in December and will start next fall. Lane is gonna have to fight Brown and Jones for that #2 spot.
Isn't Lane an EE too?
I thought Luke said he wasn't but now I'm not sure
Buccaneerbait would be awesome!
thx for answer Luke. think both solid based on film, particularly like what a kid like lane brings in certain sits....kid gets lost behind line, has bowling ball calfs, thick thighs, so low to ground hard to wrap up that kid should have no problem grinding out yds for us as a muscle ball at 5 6" 210lbs....
Luke, it's not semantics. Did you read my post? Are you reading everyone's?
Why do you think people are upset?
This is a college website. I watch next-to-no NFL games, why do I care how a 18 yr old kid will do in the NFL?
I'm on gatorbait, not jaguarbait or buccaneerbait.
what about gatorbait?
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Walk softly but carry a big stick
First, regarding the OP, I think Adam Lane is underrated by 247 and should be a 4 star. Kid plays good comp, puts up fantastic numbers, has great RB intangibles and is going to be, IMO, a NFL running back similar to what we are seeing in Alfred Morris out of Washington (obviously different measurables, but similar running styles; mid 2nd to 3rd round pick).
Second, regarding all of this discussing on 247's rating system, I personally like it. I can see both sides of the argument, but if you think about it, it makes sense.
247 is ranking these kids based on maximum potential, and for college football players, those with the highest maximum potential will get jobs in the NFL. So it's only logical, if you're basing their rankings off of maximum potential (which we all like and want), that 247 rankings these high-school prospects based off of how they are projected to impact the NFL.
Now a lot of us are going to disagree with Luke's assessment of Kelvin Taylors ranking, but Lukes not saying Kelvin won't be a stud for the Gators or that he won't be a stud in the NFL, but it seems to me that Luke is saying that Taylor hasn't shown anything that would warrant an NFL team spending a coveted top 20 pick (where a top back should go; you don't see many backs go 21-32 unless they slip) on him. I can't say I disagree.
Kelvin Taylor is an excellent back, will be a stud for our Gators and IMO will be a great back in the NFL, but to be a top 20 back in the NFL he is going to have to show something in his career at Florida that he hasn't shown thus far. Break away ability. Do I think he can develop that? Yes. Do I think he will? I'm not sure, but I (being the proud owner of multiple pairs of Orange and Blue glasses) will to give him the benefit of a doubt.
IMO Kelvin Taylor looks (right now) like a high second round pick, Lattimore type running back, that will break records at Florida and get his Jersey enshrined in the stadium at some point. Based off of how Luke has explained the rankings for 247 work, I think a high 4 star too a low 5 star rating would be right on. I'm more inclined to lean towards the latter, but again, I think Kelvin is going to show us something we haven't seen from him at this point in his career. Either way it's just a matter of opinion. Not a huge deal.
I didn't know how the rankings worked before, but I can honestly say that I respect the ratings more after hearing how they work.
I think a lot of us just need to adjust how we see the rankings and start to try and understand how they apply to the college game (our Gators). They won't all be first rounders, man among boys types (5 stars; 1st round; Percy Harvin, Trent Richardson, Pounceys, Andrew Luck). You also need your solid, above average guys with good to great potential (4 stars; 2-3 rounders; Brandon Spikes, Ray Rice, Matt Forte, Jordy Nelson) and some guys that could surprise us, but are mostly there to be workmen (3 stars;4-7 rounders/undrafted;Marcus Thomas, Brandon Siler, Riley Cooper, Johnathan Dwyer).
Thanks for the inside look Luke.
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^ I'm sure Luke is beaming from ear to ear reading this
You are a good poster, and I think you have educated opinions. I do want to point out that one of the things that is setting Gilly apart this year, and an area where he has grown tremendously, is in the area of patience, waiting for his blocks to resolve, following his blocks. He's become more decisive, certainly, but this isn't exclusive of the new patience I'm talking about. To me it seems as though he's just picking his spots very well and running very intuitively, and knows when to abandon the designated attack point because his vision is improved.
But it's right that Lane and KT are different backs, and I think complimentary backs. Neither is an absolute burner, but both are N-S runners. KT seems to me to be more of the technician, great at working in restricted space and making small adjustment to direction and speed to optimize the distance. he has a great feel for that. Lane is very instinctive and maybe a bit more of the big play runner who takes advantage of gap unsoundness to get N-S in a hurry. I think these two styles make them complimentary. Now, in the SEC I don't see either as a runner who can house it from distance every time they touch it. But we don't need that, as we can get that kind of play out of smaller, quicker slot receivers and other multipurpose athletes. But you do absolutely need the kind of runners who can get you the 4 yards when you need it, or tear off 20 yard romps. I think that this is what you get with these two, after seeing them run a bit.
But I'm not paid to evaluate, and these are the impressions of an average fan.
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Good post, Fugi. And those instincts and natural ball carrying abilities that some RBs just possess are what MJ24 is missing right now. He may just be thinking too much or something. I'm not ready to give up on him just yet at TB but the TR FR will pass him next year if he keeps it up. He did show flashes two weeks ago against Kentucky. But it was Kentucky.
I'm not ready to give up on him either. But I tend to counsel patience in these things, because I have more of an old school view on the pace at which players are supposed to develop, right or wrong. He's shown some flashes. I'm just not sure he isn't a big-bodied WR. He showed some nice hands in HS. Either way, there's a place for him on this team IMO.
I agree with your post.
I do think that Kelvin and Gillislee/Lane have a different kind of patience though. Kelvin is going to try to orchestrate blocks and use his aforementioned instincts, but is extremely patient as a RB. To me, Lane and Gilly can show patience, but it's almost an impatient patience if that makes any sense. With Gilly, for instance, you can tell he has a sense of urgency with the ball and if he feels like the blocks aren't developing like he wants, he'll run past it.
The reason why I like Kelvin so much is that he has great feet and agility,and still has a high ceiling in the weight room. Lane is pretty close to maxed out physically.
Which, not to beat a dead horse, but that's why these ranking systems are flawed right now. Lane will have a good college career and is ready to play right away. To me, a notch better than Taylor at this stage of the game. Taylor will get better and better the more he plays and lifts, and will end up being the better pro prospect.
But does that mean Taylor should be ranked higher out of highschool? I don't think so. Just my opinion though.
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